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| − | An interesting thing about these legs, if they're accurate (found much of it on a qblog post) - I'd say legs 2,3,4,5,6,7 and 8 are pretty much all majority N21 these days. Even the top of leg 1 - Bernice Hansen - is N21. Some of 10 (Jake Funk) is there too.
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| − | --[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 16:18, 12 November 2007 (CST)
| + | A new version was created using the Amagram recognitions as well as articles, books, tapes and correspondence with Diamonds and international IBOs. The North American business is well covered. However, the international lines of sponsorship need verification. It is believed for example that Maria Schleipfer & Willi Steiner is sponsored by Hans & Olga Weibl who is sponsored by Max Schwarz, but the LOS is too complicated because of many international businesses that IBOs may have.--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 11:56, 31 March 2012 (EEST) |
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| − | ===JaRi legs===
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| − | Considering the Nutrilite acquisition happened in 1972, we can simply determine which legs were JaRi legs (recognized in pre-1972 Amagrams). Here are some well known Diamonds and above who reportedly were involved in Amway before the acquisition.
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| − | :Vince & Alice Gaffey were featured on 1970 Sounds of the Soaring Seventies LP as speakers (Diamonds at that time) -> confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Bill & Valree Nichols - featured on 1968 International Convention LP (Diamond at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Bill & Joan Laing - featured on 1968 LP (Gold Ruby Directs at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Charles & Marian Jordan - featured on 1968 LP (Gold Ruby Directs at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Dick & Bunny Marks - featured on 1969 International Convention LP (Emerald at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :John & Pat Hendrickson, Dallas & Betty Beaird were recognized as new Diamonds in Aug 1970 and Oct 1970 issues of Amagram, respectively - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Dusty & Betty Owens were recognized as new Diamonds in Oct 1970, featured on 1969 LP (Emeralds at that time) -> confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Art & Ollie Charlton - recognized as new Crowns in Nov 1970 -> confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Wayne & Kay Beaird - recognized as new Diamonds in Oct 1970 -> confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Chuck & Jean Strehli - recognized as new Diamonds in Dec 1970, featured on 1968 LP (Gold Ruby Direct at that time) -> confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Stan & Ruth Evans - recognized as Double Diamonds in June 1971 Amagram, featured on 1968 LP (Gold Emerald Direct at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | :Roger & Ruth Krause - featured on 1968 LP (Double Diamond at that time) - confirmed JaRi downline.
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| − | Remember that there could be more "legs" than 6. Some of them could have a common upline who was sponsored by JaRi and has not qualified as a Diamond.--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 21:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Not ''quite'' so simple! Gaffey's for example are Maaskant downline, '''not''' JaRi. A member of Strehli's upline is my source for them not being JaRi, so something odd going on there. I'll make further enquiries. --[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 22:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Huh, this is very strange. Jerry & Sharyn Webb stated in [http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/businessopprule/522418-09482.pdf their comments for FTC] that they started their business with Amway Corp. in 1969. At that time, Nutrilite and Amway were two separate corporations. So unless some leg transfers took place during acquisition, it is impossible for them (and their upline) to be anywhere else. Is your "Strehli" source credible?--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 08:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===Crown Ambassadors===
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| − | wow - we've placed some 36 crown ambassadors now! I'm impressed :-) --[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 13:59, 12 December 2007 (CST)
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| − | ===JaRi?===
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| − | I'm not convinced these legs are actually downline of JaRi? As mentioned elsewhere. JaRi has an upline, Maaskant, who apparently was still qualifying as a Founders Emerald in 1998. Also reading the FTC v Amway case, it mentions that DeVos and Van Andel as well as owning Amway, have "one of the largest" Amway distributorships - which clearly means there's plenty of Amway outside JaRi. I'm wondering if perhaps JaRi are at the top of leg 1 and the rest are separate Amway legs?--[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 16:40, 2 January 2008 (CST)
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| − | :Rich DeVos stated that they had ended up with approximately 6 good legs. As all legs on amwaywiki contain at least one Diamond, I assume that those would be counted as "good" legs. So some of those legs on amwaywiki probably have different upline. Another problem is that the line of sponsorship can be splitted where international sponsoring takes place.
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| − | :Rich have also repeatedly stated they do not sponsor people (I assume that his saying "The Corporation does not recruit" means "JaRi does not recruit"), so unless they inherited some of their downline's businesses, there is no way for them to have so many Diamond legs...
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| − | :I think the only way to trace the original LOS is to go deep into the history, search all the Amagrams for Direct Distributor recognitions and find out who the original upline Direct was. Very hard work.--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 17:54, 2 January 2008 (CST)
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| − | :Mid 90s corporate representatif mentionned that JaRi stacked their original sponsor above them to keep their nutrilite LOS --[[User:Caro|Caro]] 10:30am 5 juin 2008 (EST)
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| − | ::Neal Maaskant was placed as JaRi's sponsor. It still has at least 1 active legs outside of JaRi. There were also legs that moved across to Amway with the purchase of Nutrilite. I think at that time JaRi may also have actually become Amway. No idea how Maaskant fits in to that! --[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 18:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :::Maaskant must have at least 2 other legs - his distributorship reached the level of Founders Emerald in 1997. I remember Rich DeVos said one time "even those lines of sponsorship that end up with Amway Corporation, we deduct 3% [bonus] and pass it to the Company, because we don't want to be accused of doing something for somebody we don't do for anybody else." So when we put the pieces together, I think the line of sponsorship goes as follows: Amway > Maaskant > JaRi. Though JaRi was the original name under which Jay & Rich conducted their Nutrilite business from Sept 6, 1949 to November 1963 when JaRi was changed to Amway, that was almost ten years before the acquisition of Nutrilite. If Maaskant was placed "above Rich & Jay" (and we know it is true), I assume that JaRi distributorship was formed again and Maaskant was placed between JaRi and Amway Corporation.--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 20:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | I have heard from more than one source that Rich and Jay weren't ever "Diamonds" because all their business was/is down five (5) legs. Is this inaccurate? --[[User:Bridgett|Bridgett]] 02:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :Hi Bridgett, Rich DeVos stated numerous times that they had had 6 Direct legs. But of course, back then there was no Diamond level.--[[User:SP75|SP75]] 09:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ==relative size==
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| − | On the internet it's generally been a "given truth" that the Bass leg is Amway's largest, but it would appear this is false, and the Stonelake leg is the biggest? --[[User:IBOFightback|IBOFightback]] 14:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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A new version was created using the Amagram recognitions as well as articles, books, tapes and correspondence with Diamonds and international IBOs. The North American business is well covered. However, the international lines of sponsorship need verification. It is believed for example that Maria Schleipfer & Willi Steiner is sponsored by Hans & Olga Weibl who is sponsored by Max Schwarz, but the LOS is too complicated because of many international businesses that IBOs may have.--SP75 11:56, 31 March 2012 (EEST)
