Talk:Crown Ambassador

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Criteria for qualification

What is the source for 22 legs / 6 months in 1982? September 1980 issue of Amagram says that "efective September 1, 1982, the qualification will require 25 legs each of which included Profit Sharing DD (6 months qualification)." Also, the article says that the qualification carries with it a one-time cash award of $50,000, both in fiscal year 1980/1981 and 1982/1983. Was this changed in fiscal 1981/1982?--SP75 16:12, 24 April 2008 (CDT)

Source is Newsgrams that were sent to distributors during that time. The history is confusing as there were many announcements made but the Amagrams never reflected these updates that went out in other leader communications and you will not find the information in Business Information Guides either. Regarding the OTCA, I am not sure what it was as I didn't want to add this to the qualification criteria and confuse this issues anymore than it already is. Primarily, the company tried to raise the qualification criteria for Crown and CA qualification, there was a sales downturn and Amway & the Amway board backpedeled quickly resulting in therequirements that we have today, 20Q6 for Crown Ambassador with no need for a Platinum in the downline leg.

As far as I know, Newsgram is (was) a communication bulletin for Amway Direct Distributors only, while the Amagram is a bulletin for all Amway distributors. It would seem logical to me that if there were any changes made, it would be announced in Amagram rather than in Newsgram only. Anyway, do you have a copy of the Newsgram where 22 legs are mentioned? If so, please post it as a pdf for reference. Maybe we can find an Amagram mentioning 22 legs too?--SP75 11:08, 25 April 2008 (CDT)


Is anyone able to list all Crown Ambassadors who have achieved this qualification in China? I read an article which says that Holly Chen & Barry Chi have qualified as CAs in China (they are also DCA in Taiwan) and have 13 Chinese Crown Ambassadors in their group.

They must have more the 20 CA's in China. Their biggest Taiwanese leg in their LOS (Hsieh Sunny & Hsu Debra, FCA 55) who is not part of their LOA have also lots of CA's. They have at least 2 other CA's in Taiwan who have their own LOA too, probably with CA's in China too!

Certainly, $2 billion of revenue can potentially produce many more Crown Ambassadors than Foo Howe Kean, Sunny Su & Debra Hsu Hsieh, Mark Lei, and Holly Chen & Barry Chi. If $1 billion US market was able to produce 13 Crown Ambassadors, it is no surprise that Chinese market can have 20+. But we don't know the names. Does anybody have the old Chinese Amagrams with CA recognitions?--SP75 07:42, 2 January 2008 (CST)
Chinese Amagrams from April 2005 to present are available at --IBOFightback 11:30, 2 January 2008 (CST)
Yes, but all of the Chinese Crown Ambassadors have qualified before the business restructuring in China and these Amagrams have been published after that.--SP75 05:41, 3 January 2008 (CST)


Geez, I love those Amway Korea success stories. Lines and lines and lines of korean translated as "you can do it!" hahahah --IBOFightback 16:38, 12 December 2007 (CST)

Yeah, they proved that we could do it too :-)))--SP75 16:40, 12 December 2007 (CST)


should we remove Founders from this article and leave separate rather than have to update both? --IBOFightback 09:10, 18 December 2007 (CST)

Its better to have all CA's and up one one side. You can separate them in the Category. Best wishes for 2008 !! --User:DiamondABO

I disagree, FCA and CA are separate pins and separate recognitions and there is an increasingly large number of both. Having them listed multiple times means multiple updates when someone qualifies at a new level (eg FAA). Anyone elses thoughts? --IBOFightback 09:35, 29 December 2007 (CST)

Its better to have all CA's and up on one page because ist "the biggest PIN" anyway. And its esier to find. And yes, you can split the category. Its better i think.--Wwd

Except it's not "the biggest pin" anymore is it? FCA is physically a different pin to CA, and there are actually different pins and recognitions for the FAA pins also. I'm tending towards separating out all Founders pins as separate to non-Founders. --IBOFightback 07:53, 2 January 2008 (CST)