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Plum Blossom

I'm guessing the claim of 2000+ diamonds comes from the Barry Chi/Holly Chen achieve article. It however is about their downline, not their organisation. Are all those Diamonds participating in Plum Blossom/Top4? --IBOFightback 10:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

By "organization" you mean LOA? BTW, the article says "in their organization". I assume that it means "in their downline". I doubt that the Corporation would use the number of Diamonds who use their "system". --SP75 11:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused...how exactly is TOP4 an LOA when the members (at least three of the four in the picture) are part of other LOAs?--Bridgett 03:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

As I understand it, Top4 is only an affiliation of several lines of sponsorship. Formerly called "Founders Dream Team", they were renamed Top4, because they represent more than 60% of Amway worldwide sales. As far as I know, Top4 does not produce the tools and it holds only one big convention each year. Correct me, if I am wrong...--SP75 07:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In this years Top4 Global Spring Rally , also "Founders Dream Team" was used as Term.

In the case of Plum Blossom, at least 13 of Chi/Chen's chinese downline Crown Ambassador and their diamond groups are part of Holly and Barrys LOA. (Around 50 - 60% of their chinese Downline). Out of their 5 taiwanese downline crown ambassadors (witch includes at least 70% of the taiwan market) just one CA is active part of plum blossom (plus some crowns), so 25 - 35% of the huge taiwan market is part of their LOA. Of their US downline (they are in crown qualification with several diamonds downline) 100% is part of Plum Blossom. Of their european downline (they have a big spanish/portugese group with at least one downline in diamond qualification. They also have new Platinums in Italy, Russia etcetera) they are part of Eva's and Dr. Peter's LOA on a joint venture like way.

The LOS/LOA between the Leaders and the organizations is growing together, so almost every Top4 has Diamonds (or at least Platinums) in the groups of the other Top4, and their working-together is very close now.

Interesting stuff, thanks! Their US business is interesting. Does that mean Plum Blossom is operating in the US and undergoing the accreditation process in that name? --IBOFightback 15:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No i don't think so. The Plum Blossom is more likely the name of their group aka LOS then a "System". Because of the strong regulations in china (only very small group meetings) and the ban of "Systems" in China, their (very successfully duplicated) way to build this business is mostly on the phone and in personal meetings.


as the article of taiwan in amwaywiki show that amway taiwan is only have 7 crown ambassador and above.

   Barry Chi & Holly Chen, Double Crown Ambassador (2003) 60 FAA (2007) 
   Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra, Founders Crown Ambassador 50 FAA 
   Mark & Peggy Lei, Founders Crown Ambassador 40 FAA (2004) 
   Tu, Johnson & Jennifer, Crown Ambassador (2002) 
   Foo Howe Kean & Shu Chen, Crown Ambassador (2001) 
   Chin Nai Kang & Wang Shu Chen, Crown Ambassador (1994) 
   Chen Tsai Lung & Yang Yueh Hwa, Crown Ambassador (1994)

only 2 crown ambassadors in taiwan are under holly n barry's group. the rest are all under crown ambassador foo howe kean (except Tu, Johnson & Jennifer). crown direct liu jian ming are not under holly n barri's loa, but they have the same sponsor. so they are actually are sideline. as the amagram 2004 march, barry n holly stated that in their FAA40 recognition amagram, tu, johnson n jennifer are their sideline which means not under their group. before that there was a statement show that foo howe kean's group occupied 65% of amway south east asia, taiwan, china market. by the way, the photo that in Tu, Johnson & Jennifer page is not the taiwanese crown ambassador, i think there was some mistake there--Lee sy85 00:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, can you confirm that Tu Yung Sung & Hwang Yu Yan aka Johnson & Jennifer Tu are both the transcriptions of 涂永松、黃玉燕夫婦? Regarding the photo - see below.--SP75 06:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
The links that u gave are not the same person. I also a bit confuse for their english name. I think I might make a mistake on it. Because another crown is also surname tu. I cant confirm their name as taiwanese hardly mention thier english name.
The photo was taken from this site and it says that the couple on the picture is 涂永松、黃玉燕. Are they wrong? If so, whose picture is that? It isn't a photo of Crowns Liu Jian Ming & Liu Qiu Hong, is it? Just look at the woman's face here and compare it to the photo of Crowns here. So I think now the photo on amwaywiki is correct and it belongs to Johnson & Jennifer Tu.--SP75 08:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Resolved: Tu's photo on amwaywiki is correct. You can check it here.--SP75 08:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

i think i have to make some correction. i think crown ambassador Johnson & Jennifer Tu are their english name. i misunderstanding with a China Crown Ambassador. --Lee sy85 08:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Chin Nai Kang & Wang Shu Chen and of course Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra are downline of Barry & Holly but not LOA now. Tu, Johnson & Jennifer are LOA, as you say but not LOS. Not shure about Chen Tsai Lung & Yang Yueh Hwa ?!

Because of the big growth since 2004 to more then 2000 Diamonds in their LOS, their downline must be far the biggest in greater china now.

Chin Nai Kang & Wang Shu Chen are confirm their downline. Hi! I think i have make some mistake. Tu, Johnson & Jennifer are Holly & Berri's downlines organisation as he stated in amagram. --Lee sy85 08:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

but Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra not their downline n i dnt get what you means by LOA? Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra upline diamond is xu xia guo. xu xia guo group was under a malaysian EDC tan siew lan, tan siew lan upline diamond in malaysia is tripple diamond gerald de silva, tan siew lan has a 2nd business in taiwan which is sponsor by Foo Howe Kean. Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra own their own 'system' name Zuo Yue (excellent). if not mistaken, Hsieh, Sunny Hsu & Debra got more than 200~300 diamonds in their organisation. --Lee sy85 01:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


is Chen Tsai Lung & Yang Yueh Hwa, Crown Ambassador in their downline to?

i only know that they r also in the same "system" which means plum blossom, but no article show that they are barry n holly's downline.--Lee sy85 03:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)